this is not like the debt ceiling. the debt ceiling we were all terrifie terrified. if we even wept a few hours with the u.s. government not paying interest on its debt, then god knows what would have happened. this is not like that. this is something where the negative effects kick in gradually. the world won't end if we go a month into this thing, so he can afford to wait, where i believe the republicans will have to cave eventually. what he should be looking for is i think some face-saving way for everybody to just kick this can down the road. we could have some vague spending cuts promised in the future, some real revenue sources. >> all in the future. >> all in the future. this is a terrible time to do us a terry. >> i think his reaction depends on whether or not the republicans can hold their coalition together. and if they can create a coalition that holds together, which might even include some democrats, i think they can prevail on this issue and get a small amount of cost reduction. i think if they shy away from -- >> do you want to see some us a terry now?